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[kaka11LFC]

Are supporters really that desperate to win that they want to play boring, unattractive football to get the results? I mean sure Chelsea fans must've been delighted to have won and beaten Barca and Bayern but can one of you say you honestly enjoyed watching those games? You watch a game for 90-120 minutes and get bored shitless because your team is sitting back and then launching it to your big centre forward and somehow come away with a win because the other team couldn't finish their chances. Take all that away and all those excuses of why the other teams didn't win. How can you enjoy that win? For me, theres nothing worse than seeing my team play shit football, even if we grind out a win theres just that shit feeling you get from watching a horrible game for 90 minutes.

Also, its not as simple as play good football and lose as everybody has been saying since the result. Most Chelsea fans have been justifying this by saying "I'd rather us play bad football and win than good football and lose, look at Arsenal". Arsenal aren't exactly losers. They've always been around the top, sure they've never won but they aren't losers, and then statement also implys that if Arsenal went ahead to play bad football that they would win? No they wouldn't, their players flourish with possession and having the ball.

[SamCFC]

I'd prefer us to win 1-0 from goal mouth scrambles than have 4-4 games where we've conceded in the last minute but its been a brilliant game. Sometimes the scrappy hard wins are the most enjoyable I find.

You can justify any type of football aslong as its winning.

[kaka11LFC]

Thats different though, close, competitive well fought games with goal mouth scrambles can be enjoyable but when your team has 20-30 odd shots against you and you only have 3 that can't be enjoyable to watch as a supporter of that team surely? And forget about saying but yeah we took our chances they didn't, this isn't about the result and all that this is about a supporter.

When I say justify I dont mean that it isn't legitimate but it seems Chelsea fans are justifying it to themselves more than anything. They know how they played and I'm sure many didn't enjoy watching it but because they won its all ok.

[Arlo]

For me it is about tactical approach, Tactics are thought about under the circumstances of the club, and situation at the time of that game.. they should be respected if they work without breaking rules. Take Chelsea vs Barcelona, it wasn't that Chelsea went out and happened to play like that, it was instructed to them and they responded to do that, thus showing they can play how the manager asks (that in its self should be rewarded).. They could have gone and attempted to play free flowing passing football, and attempt to outplay Barcelona, but we all know that probably wouldn't have worked for a number of reasons, mainly that they aren't as good at that approach as Barcelona are. So as a fan in most cases it is more important to see your team playing how the manager is asking them to + winning the games it's very hard to complain really..

[kaka11LFC]

Thats fair enough, I understand what your saying however I'm not saying that what Chelsea did was bad or wrong, my point is that supporters of not just Chelsea saying that they prefer to win playing "ugly" than to lose playing "pretty" football. Obviously they are both tactics but as a supporter everyone would obviously prefer to watch their team playing good football. I guess its a stupid question, everyone wants to win but the win doesn't feel as fulfilling when using tactics such as Chelsea.

[SouLDeFeNdEr]

Are supporters really that desperate to win that they want to play boring, unattractive football to get the results? I mean sure Chelsea fans must've been delighted to have won and beaten Barca and Bayern but can one of you say you honestly enjoyed watching those games? You watch a game for 90-120 minutes and get bored shitless because your team is sitting back and then launching it to your big centre forward and somehow come away with a win because the other team couldn't finish their chances. Take all that away and all those excuses of why the other teams didn't win. How can you enjoy that win? For me, theres nothing worse than seeing my team play shit football, even if we grind out a win theres just that shit feeling you get from watching a horrible game for 90 minutes.

Also, its not as simple as play good football and lose as everybody has been saying since the result. Most Chelsea fans have been justifying this by saying "I'd rather us play bad football and win than good football and lose, look at Arsenal". Arsenal aren't exactly losers. They've always been around the top, sure they've never won but they aren't losers, and then statement also implys that if Arsenal went ahead to play bad football that they would win? No they wouldn't, their players flourish with possession and having the ball.

Good post.

For me it is about tactical approach, Tactics are thought about under the circumstances of the club, and situation at the time of that game.. they should be respected if they work without breaking rules. Take Chelsea vs Barcelona, it wasn't that Chelsea went out and happened to play like that, it was instructed to them and they responded to do that, thus showing they can play how the manager asks (that in its self should be rewarded).. They could have gone and attempted to play free flowing passing football, and attempt to outplay Barcelona, but we all know that probably wouldn't have worked for a number of reasons, mainly that they aren't as good at that approach as Barcelona are. So as a fan in most cases it is more important to see your team playing how the manager is asking them to + winning the games it's very hard to complain really..

They played the same way against Bayern Munich but Bayern Munich isn't Barcelona. What's the excuse now? There are circumstances of the game that can make you park the bus for a couple of minutes but not the whole game. They did what the coach said, that's true, but does that justify the manager's decision?? Of course not. I'm not saying you have to play spectacular football like Barcelona but why not a balanced football?? Sometimes attacking, sometimes defending, etc?? Why do you have to park the bus all the damn game??

It's annoying to see the analysis of certain members here. If "x" team wins, they say it was fair, they don't even care how they played, how many chances they had of scoring, what the opponent team did, etc... They only see the result and post their pathetic analysis. Why do they watch football games then? They can just wait until the end, see the result and present the ridiculous analysis.

[Arlo]

Good post.


They played the same way against Bayern Munich but Bayern Munich isn't Barcelona. What's the excuse now? There are circumstances of the game that can make you park the bus for a couple of minutes but not the whole game. They did what the coach said, that's true, but does that justify the manager's decision?? Of course not. I'm not saying you have to play spectacular football like Barcelona but why not a balanced football?? Sometimes attacking, sometimes defending, etc?? Why do you have to park the bus all the damn game??

It's annoying to see the analysis of certain members here. If "x" team wins, they say it was fair, they don't even care how they played, how many chances they had of scoring, what the opponent team did, etc... They only see the result and post their pathetic analysis. Why do they watch football games then? They can just wait until the end, see the result and present the ridiculous analysis.

It is not an excuse though, it is just a tactical and effective way of playing, against Bayern the manager must have thought pre-match that they were going to play the way they did, because he is a qualified manager and makes decisions to WIN games, managers get sacked if they don't win, not usually for not playing good looking football.. secondly how can the decision be unjustified? it not against the laws of the game, surely it is good to have different styles of football? if every team played like Barcelona it would be boring, the tactics, formations and style of football should always be experimented with in order to find different approaches to winning games. the contrast is important to the sport I think gives different clubs different characters....Also in Chelsea's case the manager has recently been given the job out of no were, he has had no time to buy his own players, and really create a his own Chelsea. Chelsea's bus parking against Barcelona for me as a neutral was one of the most exciting things I have seen this season in football, a lot more rememberable performance than any Arsenal game I have seen

[kaka11LFC]

Hold on guys lets not turn this into Chelsea vs Bayern This is more about supporters being satisfied with defensive football if it results in winning.

If Chelsea had lost against Barca or Bayern, I'm sure Chelsea fans would've questioned defensive tactics. So it just seems a bit funny to me that if you win a final being defensive your happy but if you lose you'd question it. If you lost playing good football you would just think oh well, we did our best

[SouLDeFeNdEr]

Hold on guys lets not turn this into Chelsea vs Bayern This is more about supporters being satisfied with defensive football if it results in winning.

If Chelsea had lost against Barca or Bayern, I'm sure Chelsea fans would've questioned defensive tactics. So it just seems a bit funny to me that if you win a final being defensive your happy but if you lose you'd question it. If you lost playing good football you would just think oh well, we did our best

That's the point of my 2nd paragraph. Doing analysis based on results is ridiculous, for what you have mentioned.

[Deano]

SoulDefender, the only person who has pathetic analysis of the game is you. People aren't just basing it off the result. The fact of the matter is it was a game of memorable rear guard action (Chelsea) - something numerous people have mentioned in their analysis of the game. And so what if Chelsea fans are only talking about the result? Their club just won their first ever European trophy. The biggest prize on offer with regards to club football. It's huge, it is massive. Let them revel in it instead of insulting people.

Even then, if people speak of the results, they still watched the match. They watched the 90 minutes (+) of drama unfold, they have emotions from that - just looking up the result on the internet after the game is done is vastly different. If you don't or can't understand that, then I suggest you go get involved in ballet instead.

In terms of good football vs defensive football on a broader scope, its entirely subjective. I don't find *this* Barcelona team to be all that entertaining to watch, for example. Others do. Some people just enjoy the underdog clawing their way to victory. Football is lots of things to lots of people.

[Lucas]

There is nothing better than getting absolutely smashed and nicking a 1-0 win. I remember the first game of last season, we played saints away and it was on telly and they gave us an absolute battering, but we got the 1-0 snatch and grab win and it was brilliant!

[kaka11LFC]

There is nothing better than getting absolutely smashed and nicking a 1-0 win. I remember the first game of last season, we played saints away and it was on telly and they gave us an absolute battering, but we got the 1-0 snatch and grab win and it was brilliant!

Were you playing defensively though? Did the team set out to play like that or was it just Southampton were that much better that you couldn't do anything about it?

[KajoCFC]

Allegri: "Only an ignorant person will reduce a tactically great game to the term "catenaccio". Chelsea did really well."

[SamCFC]

Its not like we're defensive all of the time, against every other team its all us generally bar the big teams.

The fact is that if you go toe to toe and play attacking open football against Barcelona, you lose. Didnt watch the Copa Del Rey game last night, but I bet Bilbao went for it and got done on the break.

Bayern was the same, we had to sit back to nullify the threat of Robben, Ribery and Muller coming at us, with Bosingwa, one of the worst full backs at the defending in the world, and two semi-fit central defenders that could barely run. I wouldnt have questioned the tactics after the game had we lost, because I knew we'd play like that, theres too much at stake to go all out attack.

Also I find Barca's style mind-numbly boring for 75% of the time, until the ball gets to Messi, Iniesta or Sanchez near box theres nothing exciting happening apart from 12956 passes between the back 4 and Busquets.

[Stevemanics]

If you play defensive football and nullify the threat then fair play. My issue is with people saying about how well Chelsea played and how brilliant their defence was against Bayern. Excuse me? The only reason Bayern didn't win by 10 or more was their own shoddy finishing. Chelsea didn't play well at all, they were gifted victory by Bayern's incompetence in front of goal.

[UnitedRoadRed]

That's the point of my 2nd paragraph. Doing analysis based on results is ridiculous, for what you have mentioned.

Ask Arsenal fans - pretty tippy tappy football but no trophy for 7/8 years.

[Salford Kel]

I'd prefer us to win 1-0 from goal mouth scrambles than have 4-4 games where we've conceded in the last minute but its been a brilliant game. Sometimes the scrappy hard wins are the most enjoyable I find.

You can justify any type of football aslong as its winning.

 

Bang on

[Deano]

Ahh, this is the thread where SoulDefender learned he wasn't alone in the world with his absurd football opinions.

 

A budding friendship to be, only that it didn't last. Pity. 

Edited by Deano, 28 March 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[UnitedRoadRed]

That's the point of my 2nd paragraph. Doing analysis based on results is ridiculous, for what you have mentioned.

 

Why?

 

People talk about the great historical teams from different ears - the Real Madrid side with Di Stefano that won loads, the Ajax and Bayern sides of the early 70s, the Liverpool side of a decade later, the Milan side of the late 80s with Gullit and co. All did it at the highest level. Nobody outside of England will mention the Mourinho era Chelsea because they never won the big European prizes. 

 

Losing the Champions League in style or winning it with grit, solid defending and hard work. I know which I'd choose. Always a trophy over glorious failure for me.

[LFC4EVA]

Some of the best matches I have ever seen have been tense well fought 0-0 draws, or games where we have been under the cosh for 89 minutes and hit on the break and won the match. 1-0.

 

The idea that the feeling of victory in winning a match, let alone a trophy, let alone the Champions League could be hollowed by the fact that you haven't played 'sexy football' throughout the tournament is simply ridiculous.